MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
”This woman (Cristina Fernandez) is a scoundrel, hates Uruguay and will try to harm us the most”
A Uruguay former central bank president and now head of an investment fund described Argentine president Cristina Fernandez as a 'scoundrel' that will do her utmost to harm Uruguay because 'they hate us'. Juan Carlos Protasi made the statements during a morning conference to analyze the current Argentine economic situation and its regional implications. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo much for South American unity and everyone supporting the Argentinian position.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come of Trolls, explain this...
The paralysis started in KFCs facial muscles and is caused by too much Botox. She is suffering from Cher syndrome. By the time she has finished her shopping trip, courtesy of the clot (Timerman?) and got a new wig, RGland will be back on course (downward trajectory). Best thing for Uraguay is to open up it ports and airfields to British charter flights and cruise ships which will be filled with British and American tourists gagging to visit the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the Antarctic peninsular loaded with £s and $ which are actually worth something.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RGland is going down the pan, no need for Uraguay to follow it.
What a great word, 'scoundrel'.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this man has got the balls, the whole country needs to follow.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having lived in Canada for a number of years & being totally dependent on every economic decision made by the US, I can understand Uruguay's problem with Argentina
Nov 05th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a great animosity between the two nations but poor old Uruguay has to always be politically correct since any dissention by Mujica will inevitably hurt them where it hurts the most.....in their pocket books!!!
4 Falkland Islands
Nov 05th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of Uruguayo have balls and want rid of Pepe and his drunken mates ASAP.
Dismiss Stevie, he not only does NOT live here, he is out of touch with people. He is living in the Tupas past and cannot move forward.
It was good to see an Argentine telling it how it is but such a shame the egocentric TMBOA is still a force it seems.
I must admit I thought the “illness” was a cover-up for her to go shopping while out of the elections (let's hide the ogre) and she would come back pretty quick thereafter.
Perhaps there is a coup building?
It is hard to feel sorry for the number one accomplice in the utterly despicable way that South America has treated the Falklanders. It sounds as sure as ever though, that when Argentina sinks they will take Uruguay down with them. Pepe has left it a little late to start swimming away from the sinking ship.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you lie with dogs, you get up with fleas. Love that saying and very apt for Uruguay!
@6 It's serious, much more serious than they have let on...
Nov 05th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just looked on Betfair...
Nov 05th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can get very decent odds on Uruguay , but an army of only 15,000 ( many in Haiti ) with reconditioned T55's and M24 Chaffee tanks and no air force to speak of does not inspire much confidence .
If this does go hot , I'm afraid Argentina wins easily , assuming they can round up all their troops from the gardening jobs , car washes , private security and other things they all do to make ends meet these days .
@8 I am in Chile at the moment and I have heard a few comments about CFK's illness being more serious than the press is saying. I guess we shall see when she resumes work this weekend. Isn't that what we are being told?
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 8 & @ 10
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That, if true, would be really good news for Argentina as long as the Mafia don't trample on the reasonable people, such as they are when the end does come for her.
Reuters are reporting that Uruguayan marines have landed on Martin Garcia .
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I knew I should have that bet .....
Yes patriotism the last resort of the scoundrel. The Falklands? Too heavily defended so switch to an easier target
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes her pirate crew is getting restive
Mutiny in the offing?
Expect Argentina to become even more anti-foreign, xenophobic, and fascist. The foreigners have shown nothing to change our minds and “cooperate” and join the international community, code for “Argentina's subjugation and final destruction”.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strong stuff.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This woman is a scoundrel and will try do damage Uruguay in whatever way”
Not just Uruguay, I suspect anyone who gets in the way, or dares to disagree.
Just ask the Islanders.
More bad European produce, then you wonder why I never eat European food
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ajc.com/news/news/weird-news/woman-horrified-spiders-scamper-half-eaten-banana/nbhSm/
LOL! I thought the bananas were imported. This spider is native to Central and South America.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't want to point out the obvious...but I feel I must...
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not European produce...they came from Brazil....
@17
Nov 05th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is not the job of the grower to check the produce entering a country, it is up to the authorities of the importing nation for a sanitary inspection. The British blew it, and then you wonder why every year I hear of contaminated alfalfa sprouts, salmonella, and all kinds of other stuff affecting European and North American consumers. Inadequate hygiene.
Argentina has run out of wheat , the national beef herd is reduced by 50% to make way for soja , soja overproduction is turning the Pampas into a dust bowl , the Brazilians have stolen all their food export markets and all this clown can talk about is bananas......
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 16 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You couldn’t afford it!!!
@20 Usurping Pirate
Yes, they have no Bananas!!
@19 TPT
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is not the job of the grower to check the produce entering a country”
You are right, the buyer, or importing country has to do this.
You agree the importing country must do the inspections.
When the importing country is responsible for importing safe agricultural products, that is not “protectionism”, right?
The grower is not responsible for safe agricultural products, the importer is.
20 Usurping Pirate
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“all this clown can talk about is bananas......”
I think that should:-
“This is all this clown can talk about because he is bananas”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT6JkceQ9FU
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”This woman (Cristina Fernandez) is a scoundrel, hates Uruguay and will try to harm us the most”
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome to our world Juan Carlos Protasi.
Now you too see the real face of your “Friend” and neighbour. Perhaps now you begin understand how the Falkland Islanders have suffered at the hands of TMBOA...............
@16
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hehe, bananas. Well when you reside in a banana republic, I suppose bananas are very important. That deflection was almost as good as Cristina's migrating birds.
The false image you people have of the UK is quizzically disturbing. You really believe that you are some sort of paradise with absolutely no challenges to confront, and where everyone lives in happyness and free of monetary stress.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How naively quaint.
And this, as reported on Friday 1st November 2013:-
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas' flagged vessels ideological solidarity with Argentina costs Uruguay lost jobs and income”
And it goes on:-
“To the loss of transshipments from Argentina, estimated in 100 million dollars a year by Montevideo port authorities, must be added the 60 million dollars following the ban on Falklands' flagged vessels from operating in Uruguay, claimed Mario Baubeta, president of Uruguay's Navigation Centre.”
Well you know what they say...................
You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Where is this “solidarity” now????
@19
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT please explain why your military were pissing and shitting in FALKLANDERS homes, was it inadequate hygene, I am sure that the Islanders had toilets, Weren't the military pissing and shitting in the Casa Rosada I seem to remember, POT KETTLE BLACK
19 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 05th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and while you are at it, when are you going to give “Argentina” back to it's rightful owners?
How many of the Indigenous population did you slaughter to create your “Sovereign” nation??
Doesn't that mean that the majority of the present population of Argentina is an “implanted” population?
POT KETTLE BLACK
perhaps they should tell the unmighty CFK they will now be allowing british ships back,,
Nov 05th, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and she can whistle..lol
31 Briton
Nov 05th, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean its time that Uruguay showed its solidarity with the Falkland Islands?
Could be the greatest partnership since Michael McDonald and Linda Ronstadt!!!
It would benefit both countries
Nov 05th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would it not,
And give CFK a few more grey hairs lol.
Snotty . Siege mentality has been around for centuries. The besieged usually end up eating rats first and then cannibalism.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You a fat boy?
@27 I don't think that at all. Where do you get your strange perspective? The internet?
Nov 05th, 2013 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is “some sort of paradise with absolutely no challenges to confront, and where everyone lives in happyness [sic] and free of monetary stress.”?
Nov 05th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hate it when people lie!
After backpacking the world I have yet to see this ever. However some countries are closer to this ideal than others.
Argentina is not one of those countries.
@36 On reflection, if this is how TTT thinks the world is outside of Argentina I can see why he drips with envy and hatred. If he would but travel a little he might get a more reasonable perspective.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ElaineB
Nov 06th, 2013 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes his delusions are growing. Perhaps his generation will be known as 'Generation Google”. They think they know everything because they googled it and don't realise they have never actual lived or done anything.
CFK and argetinian government had poked on every country they could. Some have inspired them some kind of fear, or respect, and they stopped bothering them .
Nov 06th, 2013 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some, like Uruguay, did not respond correctly. On them CFK and staff increased they insane meddling.
Just want to paraphrase a saying. “Poor Uruguay, so far from God and so close to Argentina.”
Chris
Nov 06th, 2013 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe got 61% approval rate on the last survey.
What you say about people wanting to get rid of him is plain bullocks...
There is a reason the ones complaining are all former something, not present.
Former Central Bank Presidents.
Former Presidents.
We got rid of that lot, and now they show up in Places like this.
Normal.
@40 They obviously got rid of you too, that’s why you live in Denmark and you show up in places like this, lying and faking accounts.... Well that is Not Normal.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Former Central Bank President's opinion has far more credibility than yours… You know CREDIBILITY?? Know what that means LIAR??
Hahaha Cabeza
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 061% approval rate that old Tupa got.
That's massive.
I assure you this [former] guy doesn't vote FA...
;)
Wow Cd it hasn't taken you long to turn into a Troll....attacking people without provocation...
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Picking up a lot of bad habits in such a short time....get back on track.....
So what ??? You probably cant even vote for the old drunken muppet of Cristina
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0And.....
RE: 41
I showed you a Lanata vs Lanata and now you do a Cabeza vs Cabeza...
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't HAVE to, you know that, don't you?
I mean, who would've thought that about you...
I watched LIVE LANATA in 2010, he has compited against CLARIN when he was founder and director of PAGINA12, VEINITRES and Critica Digital. What do you know about Lanata, what do you know about the whole issue of the media in Argentina? What do you know about Argentina and even Uruguay for that matter??? NOTHING, You are a expat troll with fake accounts and a liar.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet you accused me of being a sepoy and ashamed of being Argentine with your Guzz account when I started here, I remember… You attack other Uruguayans that live honestly there and stand for their country.
And you attack one of the most respected and honorable journalist in the world, Argentina owes a lot to that man.
You have ZERO credibility, and so why should I take any interest in what you say or have any respect for you?? You are simply SCUM
@A_Voice mind your own business,
Look Cabeza
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lanata vs Lanata
www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9tf1c5QvkI
Man, that's pathetic.
He saying the EXACT OPPOSITE, being his own counterargument.
That argument changed when he started working for Clarín.
That's... convenient.
No man, that's bloody schizophrenic!
;)
@47 No he actually isn't....
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.eltrecetv.com.ar/periodismo-para-todos/la-opinion-de-lanata-sobre-la-ley-de-medios_064948
I've listened to yours, now listen to mine.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same man.
Saying the exact opposite.
Different employer...
hahaha......an open forum and I've got to mind my own business.....
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh....ok then........Not
You have accused me of being a fake account too....who's next?
Carry on chasing your tail....never being able to prove a damn thing....and what happened to....but you are too serious along with everyone else...
Lighten up.....
@49 Technically he is not contradicting himself, but as you don’t understand fluent Spanish.... What the hell. I cant take you seriously so there for I repeat to you…. What do you know about Lanata, what do you know about the whole issue of the media in Argentina? What do you know about Argentina and even Uruguay for that matter??? The answer is NOTHING. The only thing you have is a YT vid made by a Kirchnerite blogger. You are SCUM not even worth my time no nobody else’s
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50 Yes it's an open forum where I get to say to you PISS OFF..
make me......
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Technically he is not contradicting himself”
Nov 06th, 2013 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know about technically, but literally he is...
;)
51
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0.......you have such a piss poor grasp of the English language that you can't tell the difference between the style, diction and parlance of one poster over another.
Take my advice and go join a Spanish forum...where you may be understood.....may..
I wouldn't bet on it, the guy can't type in Spanish.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0He types “al revez” so to speak, and calls it slang...
17 ElaineB Didn't you say in the past that you never open links?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you like that banana news :-))
My two cents worth: CD's English is perfectly adequate. It certainly doesn't suffer by comparison with Dan Quayle's.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@56 Marcos
Nov 06th, 2013 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0That story was all over the UK news. ElaineB didn't have to open TTT's link.
Perhaps you should 'think' before you post.
As for this story. It is spot on. Argentina, being a bully, only wants weak neighbours so they can feel good about themselves flexing their muscles.
Uruguay should tell them the feck right off. It should reopen relations with the Falkland Islands, and invite the Royal Navy in for a visit. Include closer links with the UK, and perhaps invite the UK to participate in joint exercises, and exchanges, which will benefit Uruguay's military.
In the meantime, Argentina will get angrier and angrier and complain. But that is all they can do.
The British have known this for years. They're all mouth and no trousers. It's about time Uruguay realised just how impotent Argentina actually is.
@56 & 58 Quite. It was not necessary to open the link.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Casper
Nov 06th, 2013 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is his problem, his English is better than his Spanish to such a degree, he can't blame on misunderstandings...
@CabezaDura
Nov 06th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pelotudismo Para Bobos (PPP) is the cheap copy of “Glenn Beck Show” USA Fox
LaNata yes is contradicting himself but is smart enough to make believe people without brain that he doesn’t.
The same applies for Diego Gvirtz (6,7,8) the funny thing is that both were in the opposite side years ago.
Diego Gvirtz was bashing the K first from America Channel 2 and later from Clarin Group Channel 13 using the some of the same programs that he has now to bash Clarin Miente. He knows very well the tactics.
LaNata in the 90 and 2000s was doing the same but using “los Zurditos” ha ha who were they main clients at that moment and now all are shocked.
But now he is facing strong competition in the Zurdito market and no money can be made so he without hesitation turned to the group that he was bashing since La Nata broke relation with “Clarin Miente” as employer.
PPP (LaNata) targets the superficial viewers that very easy can be manipulated like in talks shows by using “media impact” While 6,7,8 targets more intellectual viewer with argumentation that “zurditos”, students, etc loves.
The zurditos are better prepared intellectually than the superficial give 2 from Miami and Menen Era.
So they read a lot have strong arguments even if the are wrong but they are not stupid may be confused some times that all.
Do you think if someone put 1 million dollar in publicity every month to Mercopress to bash the Islanders they will say no?
Well I guess for a Million dollar even Camoron will be bashing the Islanders.
Ha ha
Show must go on and better weapon is FPB “Football Para Bobos” from my point of view I will put some program of “bailanta and Big boobies Para Todos” in Channel 7 and also “Chismes Para Bobos” with that I will win any election.
Ha ha
@LEPRecon
Hey mate you will never get tired to sing the same song?
Or are you paid by UK team?
@60 Stevie
Nov 06th, 2013 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, I have no idea what you mean. Sorry.
42 Stevie
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obfuscation again I see.
Pepe approval for his actions and policies was 45%.
He would lose an election, but thank goodness the old commie CANNOT stand again.
@61 Dany
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well the truth is the truth.
Hurts doesn't it knowing that your country is an impotent never was or will be.
The sooner Uruguay wakes up to that, the better off they'll be.
So CFK hates the Uruguayans. Well guys, don't worry too much 'cos she hates us more. Doesn't matter to us, but can see the problem for Uruguay. A slow measured move away from Mercosur and all its rubbish would be the way to go. Be friends with sensible progressive countries like Chile and Brazil, avoid the loonies like Argentina and Venezuela. Think long term. Kind regards from your friends in the Falkland Islands.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dany Verga
Nov 06th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lanata does INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM, Glenn Beck is a Tea Party idiot and his listeners even more so, but at least he is not paid by any government and works on private channels unlike Gvirts who is NOT A JOURNALIST he is a PRODUCER of “PROGRAMAS DE ARCHIVO”, but he is first and foremost is a son a of whore and a boat of full of African refugees on route to Lampedusa…
They specialize in media bulling, excessive abuse of the editing and resentful panelists who are nothing else than vigilantes of the Argentine Tv. All paid by the State and their associates in Canal 9 as its going to be proved if the government accepts the court ruling and exposes Gvirtz contracts. None of them has the moral authority to question Lanata.
The man stood against the corruption of Carlos Menem’s government and it now stands against the corruption of the Kirchners. A lot of people listened to him in the 1990s and listen to him now, what is the problem of that?? Be left or right, people always want to hear the truth.
THE ONLY REASON HE ENDED UP IN CHANNEL 13 IS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES REMAINING THAT ARE INDEPENDENT AND BIG ENOUGH THAT CAN DARE AIR IS PROGRAM. CANAL 26, GOT SHIT SCARED IN 2011 to continue airing DDT. What really infuriates you is that in 13 he has incredible rating and beats Futbol para Todos and his radio program in Mitre together with Longobardi they reach 50% of all audience every day...
Scoundrel?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would hazard, old bean, that she is a bounder!
... and young, Timerman is an indupitable cad.
@58
Nov 06th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree.
“what really infuriates you...”
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha Cabeza!
That's priceless!
Dont worry folks, Its not as Stevie/Guzz/British_Kirchnerist says.
Nov 06th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not angry, I’m passionate about what I’m saying, and that’s because I know I’m right and I’m certain to be on the right side of this…
Ground control to Major Tom...time to come back down to earth....
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think anyone is worried...
Two bald men fighting over a comb...springs to mind......yawn..
You are passionate about vergas and ojetes?
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are other sites for that, Cabeza...
Arge made the bed uruguay desided to sleep in it, i think it time someone should give them coffee and wake them up, before they sleep forever,
Nov 06th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 019 The Truth PaTroll (#)
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0total bell end aren't you! one issue out of thousands of exports. be grateful we buy things from you, it gives you jobs.
@CabezaDura
Nov 06th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glenn Beck viewers sure will not agree with you because like you that follow like sheep Lanata, Longobardo, Mojul, etc. they also follow Glenn.
What is the difference?
Can you see how this works?
Sheep are always manipulated by the shepherd.
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me...”
Poor sheep you know how they end up?
At least the sheep have the excuse of their reputation of having no brain.
And your excuse is?...
Touch the screen, touch the screen Jesus knows me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLNZjQ28tPE
Ha ha
You can have whichever opinion of Lanata and us his viewers but the FACT IS LANATA IS A INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST he has being writing since he was a teenager. He has made a lot of people go to jail and he uncovered a lot of stuff during his whole career. What the hell is Glenn Beck ?? An imbecile. He doesnt really produce anything. You are comparing apples and peaches (and I'm saying this because I have nothing against Mr Beck but his completely out of league) Lanata has stirred up some really powerful people during his life time. Glen Beck is not chased nor censured by the government of his country; in fact nobody takes him much notice lately....
Nov 06th, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However I prefer a million Glenn Beck's than one Gvirtz
@ 20 Usurping Pirate
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and all this clown can talk about is bananas......”
Of course. Who says yuk-yuk and eats bananas, chimp or bonobo?
Chimps.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bonobos have their minds on something else.
@78
Nov 07th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think a bonobo would turn down a banana. Banana's are excellent for stamina. And they have a certain erotic allure.
Not the sort of 'use of tools' that people usually talk about.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bonobos really know how to diffuse the sort of tensions typical of cross-border disputes [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior]
And what would happen to the Bonobos, if the Chimps could get across the river that separates them.
Nov 07th, 2013 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@80
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, it's called 'make love, not war'.
Wonder if he's really talking as a Uruguyan or as an investment fund head; suspect its the latter!
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if he's (#83) really talking as a British or as an expat Uruguayan troll that has lived in Denmark his whole life; suspect its the latter!
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@83 BK
Nov 08th, 2013 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can one not be both a Uruguayan and an investment fund head? And does that make his insights less credible?
@84
Bk's & Stevie's diction are distinctly different, they are not the same individual.
@CabezaDura
Nov 08th, 2013 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still waiting for your explanation about the exclusive 80% taxes that pay “El Campo”.
What happen hard to find it?
Do you need some help?
#85 Of course you can, but I posit its not so much the Uruguyan part that Cristina hates...
Nov 08th, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 86 Verga, whats the point?? You cant even recognize the FACT and the NUMBERS of the exports, why would I even discuss something very complicate for you to spin??
Nov 08th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSv9i5W_4U
Solidarity for ever...solidarity for ever...da da da...Ohhh dear the wheels certainly do seem to be coming off Sth American “SOLIDARITY”....lol...!
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@CabezaDura
Nov 08th, 2013 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First what have to do the video of the speech from Luis Miguel Etchevehere full of political crap (of course after 1 minute of pure rubbish I quite) with your affirmation that some exports are categorised wrongly as industrial exports.
Just give one example, just one I’m not asking too much. Do i?
Nothing is very complicate, just provide your explanation I promise to do my best to understand.
Will take you just one line of word or even less, better off I don’t need any explanation just the item as example of what is a farming export and not industrial.
Waiting very anxious...SYL
#90 Verga, Etchevehere's speech is priceless..
Nov 08th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First and foremost I’m still waiting for you to recognize the total dependency on the farming sector the country has, then we can talk about, retentions, differential dollars we get for the exports, earning taxes, real estate taxes, fuel taxes, and a long etc...
How many dollars do your crappy flats and inflated properties attract to the country??? Fuck all is the answer to that one….
@CabezaDura
Nov 09th, 2013 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will never recognise that because it’s a lie based on fairy tales for ignorant.
Example a meat factory it not the same as having cows in a farm grazing pastures.
The fist is industry and the second is a farm(campo, sertor agropecuario, etc.).
Can a farm export Hilton cuts to Europe for example?
Nope without industrialisation (a meat factory).
Can a country that has not cows export meat?
Yes of course because the meat factory for example can import the cows from (ganado en pie) or medias res.
So from Mataderos for example CABA (capital federal) with a little meat factory I can export Hilton cuts to Europe by importing the cows from Uruguay.
And this is not a tale it is a fact because I knew several meat factories exporting to Russia, EU, etc. without having a single cow brewed by them.
I will tell you another real story about Nestle so you can understand what I’m talking about...
Nestle in the ’90 used to be one of the bigger manufactures of Coffee in the world and is actually one of the big food supplier in the world.
Have you ever see coffee plants in Switzerland?
I didn’t and I was several times in Szland. So how can they be the bigger traders of coffee without coffee plants?
Easy they imported the coffee beans from Colombia and that is the reason why they were able to fix prices in the market. Here the rest of the story...
In the ’90 the Colombian wanted to rise the price of Coffee beans, as the Nestle management are not stupid they always have a stock of CB to keep producing for a year.
Lets say that the kg was 1 dollar the Colombian wanted 1.2 dollars.
Nestle stop to buy for 3 months and the Colombians were begging to resume trade again.
Nestle said ok but now we will pay 0.80 dollar by kg.
What the lesson to be learnt here?
Doesn’t matter what govt. or policy is implemented the farming sector always will be in the bottom of the economic scale. Like the plankton in a tank full of whales even though they claim to be more important.
What about ámbito financiero, is that not good enough either ??
Nov 09th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.ambito.com/economia/informes_economicos/archivos/Ranking_expo_x_sectore.pdf
Hahaha poor verga he thinks he can spin round this but rebranding the components of Argentine exports…. What a pack of rubbish
A butcher house is not an industry export as such, it simply cuts up a cow and packs it, it’s part of the Cadena Agroalimentaria which originates in the farms and depends of them. Farmers can alternatively shift from producing beef to grain or milk so there for slaughter houses are ultimately in a dependency relationship. And all of the chains are accounted for in the country's books as “Manufacturas de Origen Agropecuario” (MOA) in contrast to “Manufacturas de Origen Industrial” (MOI) which are really industrial ones. This Economy’s ABC you even learn in middle school.
Why a slaughter houses is not an industrial export?? Because they cannot produce beef on their own, you cannot assemble barley, water, wheat, corn, rolls, soybeans and feed and produce meat, milk, eggs, etc by itself in a factory.
You cannot RE-Brand what things are in the way it fits your argument, because it doesn’t work like that. All this is to make the Kirchnerite economy as a “industrial” one, and it is not and even the government admits it. The Farming sector is the only competitive sector there is in the country you wouldn’t survive a day without us, because you are NOT EFFICENT, you don’t work as hard as Japanese, Americans or Germans nor you know as much as they do, there is no working, ethical and entrepreneur culture in Argentine cities and factories that can rival anything in the world. You are responsible (your daddy) of mass distortions in PRICES of the in betweens the consumer and the farmers. ERGO YOU ARE INEFFICENT ON WORLD STAGE, and the government KNOWS IT and doesn’t want to let you go alone for the same reason… YOU WOULDEN'T LAST A DAY OUT THERE WITHOUT our competitive farms and revenues
Whether the English are in Britain or in North America or in Australia or in Falklands or in South Africa - they are all the same with this big “I know it all” and “it gets dark when we sit” attitudes. Their history is as a matter of fact not very clean and without immorality and sin!
Nov 09th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just feel very sorry for them and ignore their arrogance!!
94 Anti South African (#)
Nov 10th, 2013 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0and where are you from?
No where did I put that other sock.....
Nov 10th, 2013 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ CabezaDura
Nov 10th, 2013 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I said “Mataderos” that in English is translated as “slaughterhouses” but “Mataderos” in CABA is not a “slaughterhouse” it is a place called like that because in the past were full of meat factories and slaughterhouses.
In fact an avenue is called “Lisandro de la Torre” because there was a meat factory called “Lisandro de la Torre” (legislator who opposed to British interest in ARG) which was the fist national meat factory to compete with the British slaughterhouses exporters.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigor%C3%ADfico_Lisandro_de_la_Torre
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigor%C3%ADfico_Lisandro_de_la_Torre
So here is the answer about your doubt if a SlaughterHouse can be an Exporter.
The Answer is YES because this was doing by Argentina until the ’90 exporting “media res” (half or the animal frozen” so you can export cuts, canned products or just the “media res”.
You have SHs for internal consumption and for export.
All these are industrials process and is called “Industria frigorifica”, “Industria carnica”, etc. and has noting to do with farmers or farming.
UNICA (Union of the meat Industry Argentina),
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigor%C3%ADfico_Lisandro_de_la_Torre see below the page they refer to themselves as Industry not farming sector.
Cafra (Chamber of the meat factories of Argentina)
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigor%C3%ADfico_Lisandro_de_la_Torre
See for the part in the web site about objectives for this part “To promote the development of the meat industry Argentina.... and the adoption of more efficient methods of !!!INDUSTRIALISATION!!!
“Manufacturas de Origen Agropecuario”
and?
The origin of the “row material” used in industrial production does not means that is not an industry.
“Manufacturas” manufactured products are as result of industrialisation not farming.
So “slaughterhouses” are just the first step of the meat industrial process chain sometimes called C1, C2, etc. (production cycles)
Nothing to discus about it is just the way its even if you or your favourites economists don’t agree with that.
“All these are industrials process and is called “Industria frigorifica”, “Industria carnica”, etc. and has noting to do with farmers or farming.”
Nov 10th, 2013 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah............Of course, you have found out a way to elaborate beef and animal fat by mixing water barely, corn, wheat, vitamins, minerals in a machine.
You could have at least used another example as Biodiesel, soy pellets or dairy products like cheese, yogurts, butter, etc, which wouldn’t be the case either but beef is not even modified nor elaborated unless you are considering chasinados and embutidos but its just nonsense anyway .
@CabezaDura
Nov 10th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope,
I used this example because is exactly where you are confused.
I also was from the beginning trying to explain to you that to say that Argentina economy is all based on “Agro” this is a lie because most of the GDP is produced for Industries and services and not Agro.
Also that with “farmers” alone as you said Argentina would have a economy similar to Uruguay if lucky that is more than 10 times smaller than Argentina but Uruguay has more than 13 times less population only 3m habitants while ARG has 40m.
So you will see in ARG poverty everywhere with your Agro-Argentina Exporter dream..
I know you are gonna tell me that you can produce more and everyone will be happy, etc.
“Bollocks” because to have same ARG GDP of U$s500bn you will have to produce and export...
1.5 BILLIONs tons of soy for example. The total market is of 280M tons for soy.
That will produce the price to collapse of whatever grain you sale because there is not demand for that because total grain market world wide is of 1.9bn tons.
So you grains will value cents at tons if you want to sale them.
Last “beef” or whatever sub products of the cow are industrialised products.
Your problem is that you as many people listen to economists like Szewach, Melconian, etc that for them a tractor is a product from a farm.
And if you say to him that this is wrong he turn to “the govt changes the items to bash the farm sector“ relato.
I guess UK is doing the same to help Cristina
Meat Industry Guide UK govt.
http://www.food.gov.uk/business-industry/meat/guidehygienemeat#.Un9ZrieD4b4
Information for the UK Meat Industries
http://www.food.gov.uk/business-industry/meat/guidehygienemeat#.Un9ZrieD4b4
http://www.food.gov.uk/business-industry/meat/guidehygienemeat#.Un9ZrieD4b4
“The meat industry is part of the food and drink manufacturing and processing sector, represented by Improve Sector Skills Council, which also includes the following industries: bakery; animal feed; beer..”
And now “La Campora” in UK govt according with you?
But fuck that shit, Kids and city folk in the UK believe eggs and milk come out of a machine… Who cares what they say??
Nov 10th, 2013 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And may I ask you one simple and straight forward question if the Argentine economy is so “industrialized” and so independent from our farms why are we taxed like hell and all the money is taken away to BsAs??? Why are our dairy farms in the interior payed $1.90 the litre of milk and in the supermarkets the price is $10 ???
DON'T CRY PROTASI, READ THESE FIGURES AND STOP MAKING LOBBY.
Nov 10th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, i want to say that it's really evident and pathetic the doble standard that some of c. f. k.'s haters, who often publish their opinions here made, in relation to the expressions of this guy (protasi).
If c. f. k. said that a determined nation hates argentina and wants to ruin the country, i have no doubt that many of those people would say that she's just a paranoid crazy, who sees conspirations against arg. everywhere, however protasi's words were celebrated by some of them.
It's really difficult to have a serious discussion, when the arguments of some detractors are just insults, and invalid most what kirchnerism has made in the last 10 years. Anybody can agree or not on c. f. k's ideas, beside, it's necesary to talk about the falencies of her government, but it doesn't mean that some detractors have to invalid most what she has done since she's in office, in fact, some people here are so misserable that they don't even recognize her leadership.
As far as i'm concerned, although i have never agreeded on conservative ideas, due to in my opinion i think that most them are too reactionary, i don't invalid margaret thatcher's leadership, because i'm not neather misserable nor mediocre. It's evident that if she was reelected twice in the u. k., and ruled the nation more than any other prime minister, is because she must have done something right for britain.
On the other hand, protasi should relax, despite the structural problems of our economy, it's having a good expansion, in fact, according to the figures from CIFRA/CTA, from july to september, we had an expansion of 8,3%, beside inflation is stable and rases are growing over inflation level, due to c. f.'s govt. hasn't implemented any austerity plan, like in europe.
On the other hand, nobody hates uruguay, all countries have problems with their neightbours, but they can be solved in negotiations. So protasi, don't cry and get respect.
@CabezaDura
Nov 11th, 2013 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the Italians?
“L'Industria delle Carni ..
”L’Industria delle Carni e dei Salumi, organo ufficiale dell’Associazione Industriali delle Carni ...della lavorazione delle carni.”
http://www.assica.it/it/pubblicazioni/industria-delle-carni.php
can you see that you are bad informed?
“the litre of milk and in the supermarkets the price is $10 ???”
First your question is quite silly as if I ask to you... Why farmer charge for milk if the cow is not paid and give it for free?
Second, what you say about the price is not true Milk have a range price from $2.89 to whatever you are able to pay for it $6.19, $6.89, $7.35, etc. even $13 x litre if you want with extra calcium, premium milk, etc.
From Disco virtual
“LECHE MOLBO ULTRA ENTERA SCH-SCH-LT.-1 $2.89 x litre.
LECHE ENTERA LA SUIPACHENSE-EXTRA CALCIO-SCH-LT.-1 $6.19 x Lt
LECHE ENTERA LA SERENISIMA ULTRAPASTEURIZADA SACHET X 1 LT $6.89 x Lt
http://www.assica.it/it/pubblicazioni/industria-delle-carni.php
The answer to your question is quite simple “Milk” at farm gates is just a commodity.
The raw material that use Milk Factories Complex (Usina lacteas) to produce commercial Milk that people consume today in cities and are sold in SuperMarkets.
So a Milk Farmer has to sell the “raw Milk” at that price because is not industrialised and depends of MF factories to process the milk.
Otherwise the farmer will have to invest in a Milk Factory, have logistic to take the milk close to consumers and have his own distribution change to avoid the Supermakets.
Lests say at least U4s100M of investment to start with?
Then millions in marketing, research for new products, etc
In UK farm gate price of Raw Milk is 0.32 pounds while in supers cost 3 or 4 times more from 0.90 x litre to over a pound.
Do you thinks that Cristina or La Campora have been taxing the farmers there too?
In the next port I will explain you taxes...
Dany
Nov 11th, 2013 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 01)I don’t understand what has this Italian and British articles got to do with anything, and what you are trying to prove
2)Milk per litre is on average $ 10
3)Fine. Buy everything in Uruguay or New Zealand, pasteurize or cut their stuff and export it
“First your question is quite silly as if I ask to you... Why farmer charge for milk if the cow is not paid and give it for free?””
You are clearly a douchbag city boy who has never stepped or done any farm work in his life, that believes a cow produces milk cost free…
Lechita gratis a tu mujer le voy a dar….. pedazo de boludo
@CabezaDura
Nov 11th, 2013 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0That probes that for everyone in the world “Meat” and derivatives are industries even though the cow is brewed in a farm. Because requires of industrial complex to be process the cow and to be able to create commercial products.
Of course with the exception of Meconian, Enrique Szewach, Miguel A. Broda, JL Espert, Jorge Avila, and all economist clowns that populates the media with the “el campo relato”.
“2)Milk per litre is on average $ 10”
Nope I showed the prices in supermarkets that are more expensive in other places and you are refuted reality.
If you pay more for milk is because someone is stealing you that’s all.
“Fine. Buy everything in Uruguay or New Zealand, pasteurize or cut their stuff and export it”
No problem if the govt. open its border and switch to a Menen type policy “Dollar para todos” Milk can come from China like in US.
After all is what you asking for. Isn’t it?
“You are clearly a douchbag city boy who has never stepped or done any farm work in his life, that believes a cow produces milk cost free…”
Nope that clearly probes that you are an ignorant about how works the food industry chain and that you cannot understand my irony to compare your stupid question with yours about why the price of milk is more in a Supermarket than in a farm gate.
Nothing is free so and industries and commercial chain have costs as a farmer has to brew a cow, etc. only and ignorant can think otherwise.
The raw milk then requires to be transported (cost) processed and packaged in industries (cost), marketing (cost), credit to wait 90 days that takes supermarkets to paid for it to the industries (cost).
Supermarkets chains needs logistic (cost), Building infrastructure to maintain and sell the products, average U$s 25m for each new branch (cost), marketing (cost), etc.
Insulting me will not change the facts...
Always Supermarkets will earn more than you and even milk factories in Argentina.
GET REAL MUPPET
Nov 11th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn’t have a BAE, Rolls Royce nor a Ferrari Lamborghini of its own, not even close!!! It only has ARCOR.
You talk about British and Italian Industry PMSL…You don’t WORK as hard as they do, you don’t KNOW as much as they do, you don’t have the same know HOW, you don’t CREATE as much as they do. YOU ONLY ARE A KICHNERITE PARASITE.
Of course you need an industrial complex and retail and transport sector to which the farming produce is going to pass through, but the problem is that they are tremendously inefficient, they get the cheapest raw materials in the world and they sell to the markets at prices that rival those in Europe or North America.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1519444-efecto-inflacion-buenos-aires-cara-como-nueva-york
The same Disco prices you link are on average of $ 10 and let’s face it, there is not a Disco at every corner, and there is a kiosk at every corner.
And LIAR, Prices of milk in the UK are not 3 or 4 times higher, it cost about 1 pound a 2,27 Lt container bottle so if the farmers are payed 35 pence per Lt that means there whole chain is very EFFICENT (something that you DAD IS NOT) and the farmers are not screwed over like here
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1519444-efecto-inflacion-buenos-aires-cara-como-nueva-york
You are trying to portrait the farming sector as antagonistic of the industry that depends on it. The problem here is that you guys are not actually making chips, software, machinery, medicines and drugs, ships, planes, etc
The Argentine farming sector and its related sector is already responsible of generating around 55% of national revenues and 36% of the work force is related totally or partially with the sector.
Now how come a Argentine farms have proven it can be at the same level the most tech and intensive counterparts in Netherlands, US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and yet no other sector in the Argentine economy can say that??
USTEDES SON DE CUARTA Y QUIEREN GANAR COMO SI JUGARIAN EN PRIMERA. NO ME VENDA MAS HUMO
@CabezaDura
Nov 11th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid F@cker I’m German born and living in your country since long time ago and you are so ignorant that you don’t know a f@cking thing about your own county.
I talk about the Italians because I lived in Italy for many years and also I’ve lived in Spain, France, England and I have been on vacation in several places in Europe, Monaco, Switzerland, Austria, etc.
So while Lombardy drives the whole economy in Italy thank to industries the south only produces poverty like in Argentina the Agro shitty provinces because they do the same.
Lets say exporting poor to the north.
WTF are you talking about countries in Europe if you have ever been there idiot.
Oh! please stop making the f@cking fool of yourself because you have no clue about what are you talking about.
You are comparing supermakets own generic brands products that counts for 70% of the milk market in UK like milk own brands from “DIA” in ARG with premium brands in Argentina like la “Serenisima” Mastellone Hnos. SA long life milk
Tesco
Cravendale milk
Whole Milk 2 Litres £1.98 = £0.99 per litre (just milk)
http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=257265436
Premium brands in UK like “La Serenisima” Milk long life (larga vida)
Moo Organic milk £1.00
http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=257265436
Can you see? 1 pound per litre and not better efficient than in Argentina as you say. !Pelotudo!!!!!!!!!
Price of milk paid in farmer gates according with UK govt. BTW nothing to do with “La Campora” just in case !Pelotudo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
£0.3295 per litre
x 3 times = £0,9885 (so it is more than 3 times)
http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=257265436
Oh! yeah, yeah yeah! So tell me why you are so poor and have index like Africa if you are so productive?
If wouldn’t be by Buenos Aires industrial complex and service sector your will be like in the stone age riding horses like in 1800.
Sure I’m Chinese new-rich tycoon; I’m just here to practice my Polo skills
Nov 11th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you were born in Germany, you announce you have being all over Europe and on holidays, you are filthy rich, etc all this while you rent flats and properties in BsAs you are a KK troll, anti Campo to the bone. Odd to say the least.
Now listen, I don’t know where you are born, or what you do either, neither do I care but I just think you are a load of shit, Verga.
Besides even if you are as rich as you say you are it doesn’t make you right.
Getting angry are we, LIAR??
And you forget to address La Nacion article in which the Argentine consumer prices are equivalent to those of London, New York, Sao Pablo and over Madrid’s which is over a year old I think its even worse now days…
I will remind you so you dont deflect from that one
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1519444-efecto-inflacion-buenos-aires-cara-como-nueva-york
You’ve been completely proven wrong, but if you want to compare full brand vs Supermarket brand fair enough compare Creamfields (28% increase over Gate price) vs Super VEA (75% over gate price) and compare Cravendel (x2 times) vs La Serenisima (x4 times) which avoids Moreno’s frozen prices by making a lot of variety and the cheapest ones are never on store
LOL and do you even know how much organic milk costs in Argentina??
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1519444-efecto-inflacion-buenos-aires-cara-como-nueva-york
As I said, we sustain your INEFFICIENCY; you are sitting on the cheapest commodities on the world but you deliver the most expensive derivates and a general poor quality too. This is the best example... How much the farmers get paid and how much the consumers are charged (AUG ’13)
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1519444-efecto-inflacion-buenos-aires-cara-como-nueva-york http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1519444-efecto-inflacion-buenos-aires-cara-como-nueva-york
Mr. Conqueror is right after all, Bs As city shoud be erased from the face of the earth...
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Nov 11th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another FAIL Stevie…, In the interior we say stuff like that every day against Porteños, it’s not that we really mean it, it’s simply one of those non politically correct thing to say.
Nov 11th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However YOU ARE A TRAITOR to Uruguay indeed because that stuff you said is fully intentional, no question about that!! The fact that you try to take advantage on this I last said proves that you know I’m right about what I said to you, LOL...Basic Psychology that a VERY basic person like yourself will display
I mean it's not that you have anything to contribute on the matter at hand; you just come out of the blue to try to cheaply even some scores... Ohh and let me remind you….. You live in Denmark and you are a fraud.
Sure Cabeza...
Nov 11th, 2013 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just make sure to count to 100 and concentrate on something else, it will be over in a sec...
@110
Nov 11th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Mr. Conqueror is right after all, Bs As city shoud be erased from the face of the earth...”
So what??
There you go, Cabeza. Say it when he's blowing in your ear...
Nov 11th, 2013 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont understand is Mr Conqueror a Audiologist??
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Nov 11th, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you would know that out of experience............You clearly know the man
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Nov 11th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm just making you aware on the possible outcomes...”
Nov 11th, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhh no, what else did he do to you???
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Nov 11th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound a “little” upset it turned out to be el “Pingüinito” instead of el “Pingüinote”.… You must have wanted to count to 1000 concentrating in something else and ended up counting only 100 as you said, and that’s why you seem so disappointed…..
Nov 11th, 2013 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@CabezaDura
Nov 12th, 2013 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0First you are insisting that the engine of the economy in Argentina is farming.
Well I proved that you were wrong because you cannot distinguish in between a Farm and an Industy.
You were wrong!!!!!!!!!
Then you were insisting that the govt blabla and that a meat factory is not an industry otherwise is a farming activity.
I showed you that in Argentina, UK and Italy are industries like in all western world
You were wrong again!!!!
Then you come to the Milk stuff about your doubt over why Milk cost more in a Supermarket than in farmer gates.
Well even a child should have deduced that because commercial milk products require industrialisation so it is a industrial sector and not a farming sector as you keep saying
YOU wrong again !!!!
Now you come with distribution food chains and the wrong CRA statistics about the cost of distribution in food chain, margins, etc.
And of course with a shitty comparison of “La Natacion para Bobos” that Buenos Aires is more expensive than New York city.
So my question for you is... Do you have a brain?
In the same article “La Natacion para Bobos” says that to compare “New York” city prices they used supermarkets from “New Jersey”.
Can you distinguish the difference between the expensive “New York” with “New Jersey”?
Anyway read this
“you would need at least ARS $70,138 ($7,393) in New York City to maintain the same standard of living that you can have with ARS $18,750 in Buenos Aires.”
More expensive in New York than Buenos Aires
Food 192%
Housing 487%
Clothes 14%
Transportation 306%
Personal care 232%
Entertainment 176%
Total: New York 274% more expensive than Buenos Aires.
http://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/comparison/buenos-aires/new-york-city
And you call me a liar?
can you see how you are being brainwashed?
More expensive in Buenos Aires than Port au Prince
Nov 12th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Food 192%
Housing 487%
Clothes 14%
Transportation 306%
Personal care 232%
Entertainment 176%
Total: Buenos Aires is 274% more expensive than Port au Prince.
You get what you pay for:
people in PaP might like to live in BA;
people in BA would definitely like the prospect of NY ... salaries ... shops ... entertainment ... jobs ...
unlike BA, keeping people out is the US problem.
That's why the US has Green Cards for South American etc maids, cleaners, etc.
Just bein' contentious ;-)
The site that you use is considering the BLUE DOLLAR!!! We are talking about food here, not housing, transportation, clothing, entertainment and personal care
Nov 12th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you won’t accept; CLARIN, LA NACION, AMBITO, THE OWN MINESTERY OF ECONOMY, THE ECONOMIST, SRA and CRA…. All their numbers are WRONG…Only Dany Verga is right…Of course
I don’t care what they call the derivates of the agricultural produce. In Argentina the exports of them are called MOA, I already explained this and you can’t change the facts. I think that they both farming sector and the derivates should complement themselves not one parasite on the other. And this is the problem here…
The initial discussion here was about what the exports are really made of, not a matter of what Dany Berger wants to call things according to the Italians or the British…
It’s the chain that is inefficient the moment the it leaves the farmers gates onwards and it ends up in the supermarket, yet alone compete from the port outwards in the real world. And this is so clear and obvious…
If you want to call it “industry” fine but there is no real achievement in cutting up a cow and packing it, there is no know how no creativity, no nothing. And yet you are inefficient about it.
If there was anything industrial of BsAs why don’t you produce software, heavy machinery, high tech gadgets, ships, planes, trains, etc, The only thing that shithole city industrializes with commodities from abroad is Paco for local consumption and Cocaine that it exports abroad. So after all somebody invests in Argentina ………….Peruvian, Mexican and Colombian cartels
@CabezaDura
Nov 13th, 2013 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope “La Nacion” is saying that Buenos Aires is more expensive than New York and also use “lavandina, Jabón and Champu” (bleach, soap and shampoo) to make their point.
Since when these products have become food for you?
“MOA” means “Manufacatura de Origen Agropecuario” in Spanish. In English would be “Manufactured from Agriculture Origin”
Manufactures are industrialised products in Argentina, Russia, China, US, UK or whatever country you like to check.
Manufactura definition in Spanish:
“manufactura
1. f. Producto industrial:
los distribuidores se encargan de hacer llegar las manufacturas al público.
2. Establecimiento o fábrica donde se llevan a cabo procesos industriales:
manufactura de electrodomésticos.
http://www.wordreference.com/definicion/manufactura
can you see? Manufacture are industrial products and not farming products.
Here a simple example to explain your mistake.
MOA means that these Industries produce new products using farming stuff as raw materials.
That’s all, and no contradiction or anything that suggest that are not industrialised products.
So from cow they can produce beef, leather, canned beef, ingredients for soups, soaps, etc.
MOI or MI means that these industries use already industrialised products to create new industrialised products.
So previous industrialisation stages are required to produce these products and all these products are more valuable in economic terms because more “add value” is produced in the production chain.
One example is the “plastic industry” that requires previous industrialised pellets to produce new products in plastics.
You are wrong again because to build meat factories “to just cut beef as you say” requires more than 10.000 items to build them, Building, Machinery, Engineering, Intensive Labour Force, research, plastic, etc.
And requires 2000 blue collar workers to process 1000 cows and 200 white collar in management.
Can you see the difference?
And so what about sugar, coffee, coke, hamburgers, eggs, chicken, milk, yogurt, fried potatoes??? (LNOL) All CHEAPER IN MADRID, AND SOME OF THEM IN LONDON
Nov 13th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0What about the currency disregard, even using the official US dollar like La Nacion does, you are comparing AR$ agains EUROS AND POUNDS and you are processing more expensive stuff than they are, and yet you are getting far cheaper raw materials than the Spanish or British industries in real terms much smaller countries and one of them is mostly a desert….DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IN BASIC ECONOMICS THIS MEANS YOU ARE INEFFICIENT....
So yeah I can see the difference when you are to inefficient about it compared to other places in the world.
New Zealanders were impressed about Argentine pastures but they said the slaughterhouses are filth and a mafia in all of Argentina.
@CabezaDura
Nov 14th, 2013 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are really amazing and you are honouring your nickname in every post you make.
“slaughterhouses are filth”
An exporter meat factory cannot be filth as you say because they lost immediately the license after inspection made by the EU for example.
But sure you have ever been in an export meat factory in Argentina or elsewhere so as always you talk BS all the time.
Meat factories inspections covers hygiene, safety, they even look for any bacteria, sterilisation, dirt under inox table, floors that have to be made of especial anti-acid material, corners or the of the rooms that have to be rounded to don’t allow dirt or bacteria to be in, the quality of water that have to be extracted from 120mts deep with especial pumps, clothing and shoes used by workers that have to be white and perfect clean, instrument used to manufacture the meat, envelops and packaging system that have to be approved by them, etc, etc.
So my question is...
If you are so smart and so efficient as you say why you don’t manufacture you own milk and create your own distribution chain?
That will be so easy because sure you will sale Milk or vegetables in Bs Aires for the same price as Farm gates.
Ha ha ha
An specialist in the farming sector that have no idea of the margins used in the distribution change.
Amazing how people can talk BS.
“So my question is...”
Nov 14th, 2013 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ If you are so smart and so efficient as you say why you don’t manufacture you own milk and create your own distribution chain?”
And I could not agree more, so why wouldn't the government let us do so in the first place by eliminating all these controls, taxes, subsidies to its friends, retarded regulations, allow things to develop locally and a long etc???
Why don’t we eliminate the MAFIAS that populate the Mercado de Abasto and so on ???
125 DanyBerger (#)
Nov 14th, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0not sure what all this fuss is about, Argentina and the UK have little of interest to each other in regards to trade , even if they were best friends
@CabezaDura
Nov 14th, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0what government are you talking about? De la Sota in Córdoba?
Taxes are composed by national taxes like for example VAT (IVA) and Income tax (impuesto a las ganancias) import export, etc.
That after collected by AFIP the 57,66 are returned to the provinces depending with the
distribution law (ley de coparticiación) that all representatives in congress (senadores y diputados de las provincias) of each province have voted for it.
That is the same since 1988 “Menen lo hizo”
http://epresup.mecon.gov.ar/foro_presupuesto/files/otrasnormas/coparticipacionfederalderecursosfiscales.pdf
The only f@cked province there is Buenos Aires that contributes with more than 36% of the taxes and only receives 19.93%
VAT and export taxes are the same since 1995 Cavallo increased them from 18 to 21% VAT and also taxes over exports, taxes over cheques, etc.
To meet the target imposed by IMF during the Tequila Crisis in 1995.
So basicly since Cavallo and Menem era taxes are the same with on the shiiiiiit in it like a copy paste from Italy. The same mess.
Here the news from EL Pais that still is online
http://epresup.mecon.gov.ar/foro_presupuesto/files/otrasnormas/coparticipacionfederalderecursosfiscales.pdf
The rest of the taxes are created or modify by each province like Ingresos Brutos, Impuesto inmobiliario (rentas) and municipalidades.
there is nothing that banned you to create your own distribution and these regulations like from SENASA, Bromatologia, etc exists since Martinez de Hoz.
And the central Market was created by the militaries and only applies for Buenos Aires BTW “Mercado de abasto” since the 1984 that does not exist any more “Menen lo hizo”
So as you can see if you are in Córdoba and you already have said that You don’t need Buenos Aires, etc.
There is nothing that can stop you to create your own distribution chain in Córdoba, etc.
Sad that you don’t need Buenos Aires otherwise I will tell you how to star in Buenos Aires without having to put a foot in the Central Market.
SYL
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